Send to viewer from Files with Unconfirmed Faces displayed another photo

fisketjon · June 29, 2025, 01:28:47 AM

Quickview showed the correct photo, but the viewer displayed a completely different photo. After I confirmed the faces in the photo shown in the viewer the photo that was displayed in the Unconfirmed Faces disappeared as if I had confirmed faces in that photo.

Mario · June 29, 2025, 10:05:35 AM

Do you use versioning with visual proxy files?
Both the Quick View Panel and the Viewer use the unique file id (OID) to retrieve the cache image to display. There was never a reported case where the Quick View Panel and the Viewer showed different images. The only way I can see for this to happen is a visual proxy and the Viewer set to not show the proxy (the QVP always does).

fisketjon · June 29, 2025, 03:34:27 PM

Under Relation definitions Canon Versioning is set to Use this version "As Visual". Where can I see the Viewer setting you mention?

Mario · June 29, 2025, 04:06:46 PM

Quote from: fisketjon on June 29, 2025, 03:34:27 PMUnder Relation definitions Canon Versioning is set to Use this version "As Visual". Where can I see the Viewer setting you mention?

Click <S> to open the Smart Menu in the Viewer and check the "Visual Proxy" tile.
See Visual Proxy in the Viewer help for details.

fisketjon · July 24, 2025, 01:20:04 AM

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Different ID's and different tif files. How could this happen and how do i remove this proxy "link"?

Mario · July 24, 2025, 09:06:57 AM

See Visual Proxy in the Viewer help for details.
See Uses to lean about visual proxies.

fisketjon · July 24, 2025, 10:32:22 AM

Quote from: Mario on July 24, 2025, 09:06:57 AMSee Visual Proxy in the Viewer help for details.
See Uses to lean about visual proxies.

I did, but I still don't understand why one of the images will toggle between two different images when I toggle the Vixual proxy button in the smart menu, while the other tiff file will show the same image regardless of the proxy button status.
When I display all versions of the first one it only shows the correspong jpg, not the image that smart viewer is showing when the visual proxy button is not selected.

Mario · July 24, 2025, 10:37:27 AM

QuoteI did, but I still don't understand why one of the images will toggle between two different images when I toggle the Vixual proxy button in the smart menu, while the other tiff file will show the same image regardless of the proxy button status.

Is the TIFF a master? Does the TIFF have a visual proxy version?
Did you look in the Version Panel? What do you mean by "smart viewer"?
Check your versions in the The Version Panel

When you report things like this, provide a minimum of information:

Your version relation setup screen shots of both tabs in the version configuration.
Screen shot of the version panel and the File window where we can see the TIFF and all it's versions.
It's impossible to help with only "does not work" as the base.
The more details you provide, the easier is it for the community to help you.

fisketjon · July 24, 2025, 02:05:54 PM

Sorry, I meant viewer, not smart viewer.

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fisketjon · July 24, 2025, 02:06:38 PM

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Mario · July 24, 2025, 03:03:05 PM

In your rule, you make the TIFF a master, but also include the tif and tiff extension in the version regular regexp. Mistake?

Because a file relation rule as you use, which uses the same extension for both master and versions (!) will be dependent on in which folders you in and in which order...

Maybe first fix the relation rule by removing the .tiff and .tif extensions from the version detection regexp, then refresh relations for all folders that may contain masters and/or versions covered by your relation rule. Select the folders in the Media & Folders View and press <F4>,<R> to refresh all relations for the selected folders and child folders.

Probably this solves the problem. If not,

are these files in the same folder?
are the correct files shown? I cannot tell the file names and folders of the versions from the screen shots.
when you select the masters and use this variable in VarToy

{File.Faces.OID}{File.Versions}

are the correct versions, and only those, detected?

I've just recreated your specific setup, using grayscale JPG versions for the TIFF as visual proxies and it works perfectly. I did not include .tif and .tiff in the regexp for the version detection, though.

thrinn · July 24, 2025, 05:31:12 PM

Also, in your post with the 5 screenshots I see a warning that a folder was renamed outside IMatch (blue warning message). Did you already correct this, using Relocate for example? I don't see it how this could impact your current issue, but who knows?

Could you also tell me what file names exactly your version rule is intended to grab? The RegExp looks not that simple, and it is easy to get files classified as versions unexpectedly if the rules are not exactly right.

fisketjon · July 24, 2025, 10:39:28 PM

Quote from: thrinn on July 24, 2025, 05:31:12 PMAlso, in your post with the 5 screenshots I see a warning that a folder was renamed outside IMatch (blue warning message). Did you already correct this, using Relocate for example? I don't see it how this could impact your current issue, but who knows?

Could you also tell me what file names exactly your version rule is intended to grab? The RegExp looks not that simple, and it is easy to get files classified as versions unexpectedly if the rules are not exactly right.

Yes, I have corrected the folder location issue.
This rule was intended to catch combinations of TIF (original scan) with corresponding JPG version (usually just for faster viewing, but might be cropped or edited).

fisketjon · July 24, 2025, 11:13:50 PM

Quote from: Mario on July 24, 2025, 03:03:05 PMIn your rule, you make the TIFF a master, but also include the tif and tiff extension in the version regular regexp. Mistake?

yes
I selected to rebuild all relations. I think it took approximately 10 minutes ro race through 173000 files!

Quote from: Mario on July 24, 2025, 03:03:05 PMare these files in the same folder?

yes

Quote from: Mario on July 24, 2025, 03:03:05 PMare the correct versions, and only those, detected?

It looks correct to me. When I display all versions for the two tif files, only the tif file and the jpg file with the same name are displayed. When I send 178945 (tif) to the viewer it will display the image from 178994 if the visual proxy button in the smart menu isn't selected, but it will display the correct image (178944) if the visual proxy button is selected. When I do the same for 178995 it makes no difference if I select the visual proxy button or not.

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