editing/viewing all keywords in the database

Started by timoteo, May 18, 2025, 08:28:16 AM

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timoteo

Using imatch 2025.3.2 on Windows 11.

I want to see all keywords used in my database for all pictures but I can't find how to do this. I remember finally figuring it out in my old version but it was less than obvious to me. I don't understand why there isn't just a "keywords" with "Media & Folders", "Categories", "Timeline", etc. With my old version of imatch, I remember I had to do somehing which was not obvious. If I recall correctly, I selected my top-level directory ("Database") from the list of folders, then clicked on "Open Thesaurus". I've gotten that far and have my thesaurus manager open and can see all my keywords.

What I want to do is delete logical duplicates. e.g., show all images that have the keyword "churches" assigned, then assign "church" to all of them and delete the keyword "churches" from the keywords entirely. I have used both keywords over the years and want to merge them all into "church".

I can select the "churches" keyword but I cannot show (so far) all images assigned "churches" nor see how many images are assigned "churches". 

I'm confused. It's late and I'm tired, but this seems to be far more difficult than I imagined, or I am "barking up the wrong tree" here?

Please help.

PandDLong


You will find it under Categories.  The Keywords are at the top of the category tree.

I hope that helps.

Michael

Mario


timoteo

I found it. The Categories panel was hidden so when I clicked on Categories, I just got a blank window.

Mario

Not sure that I follow.
The Categories View is never hidden. And the best way to solve your requirement. The Categories Panel is used for assigning files to categories.

Tveloso

The OP may have activated Auto Hide for the Categories View, and then forgot about it.

I actually use Auto Hide with all the Views (except of course Events, which has a little different design), in order to have more space for the File Window.  Auto Hide is a very nice feature.
--Tony

sinus

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Quote from: Tveloso on May 18, 2025, 11:09:08 PMThe OP may have activated Auto Hide for the Categories View, and then forgot about it.

I actually use Auto Hide with all the Views (except of course Events, which has a little different design), in order to have more space for the File Window.  Auto Hide is a very nice feature.

But Auto Hide works only for Panels, like the File Categories Panel.
The Categories View cannot be hidden.

Or do I miss something

Edit: Yes, I guess, I am wrong. Forget this post (I wanted not to delete it), I am a bit irritated by the almost equal names.
Best wishes from Switzerland! :-)
Markus

Stenis

#7
TIMOTEO: "What I want to do is delete logical duplicates. e.g., show all images that have the keyword "churches" assigned, then assign "church" to all of them and delete the keyword "churches" from the keywords entirely. I have used both keywords over the years and want to merge them all into "church"."

I had the same issue and opened the metadata panel and then opened the Thesarus. There we can import every keyword not in the Thesarus from the database - I get new ones produced by Autotagger. After that it is very easy to delete the ones you don't want to use - for example keywords in plural. Its OK for me. It is a none problem now for me.

In order not to get these duplicates it takes some prompting of Autotagger Keywords prompt at least in my case.

Mario

Quote from: Stenis on May 19, 2025, 03:43:58 PMTIMOTEO: "What I want to do is delete logical duplicates. e.g., show all images that have the keyword "churches" assigned, then assign "church" to all of them and delete the keyword "churches" from the keywords entirely. I have used both keywords over the years and want to merge them all into "church"."
1. In the Category View, select the "churches" category below @Keywords.
2. Select all files with Ctrl+A
3. In the Keywords Panel, Ctrl+click "churches" to mark this keyword for deletion
4. Add keyword "church".
5. Ctrl+S to save changes.

You can add/remove any number of keywords for any number of files that way.

Or, maybe quicker in many situations,

1. In the Category View, select the "churches" category below @Keywords.
2. Select all files with Ctrl+A
3. Drag the files from "churches" to "church" and, while holding <Shift> release the mouse to move the files from keyword churches to church. If you don't hold<Shift>, the files are also assigned to the target category
Very quick to do in many cases.

See Using Drag and Drop

Both methods have the advantage that you don't have to fill (and possibly poison) your controlled vocabulary in the thesaurus from all the keywords found in the database. If this is what you want, OK. Else consider method 1 or 2 above.

timoteo


Stenis

The problem in the first place is that Autotagger without restrictions in the Keywords prompt will produce both "Church" and "Churches".

With proper restrictions that will not be much of a problem.

Mario

Quote from: Stenis on Today at 11:38:32 AMThe problem in the first place is that Autotagger without restrictions in the Keywords prompt will produce both "Church" and "Churches".
AutoTagger does not produce any keywords, the AI model you use does.
Maybe include "Use only the singular form" or similar in your prompt so the AI understands what you want. Worth a try.
The modern models have large context windows and can handle large prompts. May cost a wee bit more, but if the results match better, you save manual labor.