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<Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« on: August 26, 2019, 05:26:03 PM »
Version 2019.8.4:

In my templates in "Design & Print" all 
<Bold> </Bold>
<LineBreak/>
&#160;

works not more
, see my attachement.
There is not space (&#160;) but this works also not more.

Is this new and by design or is it a glitch.
I have not found a release note about this.


Luckily the release note
"postfix no longer working if no prefix is used."
works again, thanks a lot for this! That is cool.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2019, 05:30:39 PM by sinus »
Best wishes from Switzerland! :-)
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Mario

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2019, 06:07:19 PM »
I'm so SICK of this. This is wasting so much of my time.

I guess I just remove Design & Print from IMatch. Apparently you are the only person using it. At least according to telemetry. Nobody is printing stuff anymore. Too expensive to maintain for a few users...

Work-around:

Add a variable to your text container. Any variable will do. Use one that does not return anything, e.g. append {File.tag} at the end.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2019, 06:50:15 PM by Mario »

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2019, 07:13:37 PM »
I'm so SICK of this. This is wasting so much of my time.

I guess I just remove Design & Print from IMatch. Apparently you are the only person using it. At least according to telemetry. Nobody is printing stuff anymore. Too expensive to maintain for a few users...

Work-around:

Add a variable to your text container. Any variable will do. Use one that does not return anything, e.g. append {File.tag} at the end.

If I am the only one, who uses D&P, then take it away.

I am very sorry, but I am also sick of it, every new version here and there, some templates works not more, because a variable or something else has changed.
And it wastes also my time.
I create templates, mainly to send them as pdfs to my clients, and quite often after a new versions they work not more correct.
The last was postfix/prefix, what works again, thankfully.
I do not change variables or stuff, this is not my fault, except you see it as a fault, to use Design & Print or post bugs.
In this case it is my own fault.

If I am the only person, who creates pdf with D&P, then, right, take it away, and you must not more waste your precious time.

Anyway, thanks for the workaround, very helpful.
Best wishes from Switzerland! :-)
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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2019, 07:50:12 PM »
When I fix one bug you report, I introduce another you then report later. Or the 3rd party company introduces a new bug in XAML which you run into while doing something complex in D&P.
This is all super-complex and a maintenance nightmare. And, all this apparently affects only your templates because you are maxing out D&P and use features no other user ever touches.
Not many use D&P and probably nobody except you uses XAML markup in text containers.

I'm using telemetry results to determine where my resources are best used for the majority of users.
Some unused or nearly unused features may need to go to free up my time to work on the future of IMatch.

I like D&P and it can do amazing things. But its too expensive to maintain for a handful of users.
For a few hundred € (or cheaper, considering MS Publisher or Affinity Publisher) powerful DTP packages are available which you can use to produce PDF files or books for your customers.
IMatch can surely export data in a format which you can use with one of these.

Just checked telemetry. Only five users (including me) with more than one use of the D&P feature in the past 3 month.
None of the others has reported a problem, most likely because they don't max out the system or using advanced things like manual XAML etc.

Of course a bug is still a bug. I hate bugs.
But, so much trouble and cost for only 4 users. I don't know if I should keep D&P...
« Last Edit: August 26, 2019, 08:04:57 PM by Mario »

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2019, 07:18:08 AM »
I really need D&P only to split images into two or to combine two images into one - something the batch processor
can not do. In previous versions I had a script for these functions but now I can not do this via script.

I suppose keeping it with a "No MAINTAINANCE - NO SUPPORT" label would be an option for now.

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2019, 07:27:14 AM »
Please don't discard D&P.  I use it too (telemetry switched off ;-).
I agree, it definitely is not meant to be used to the extent Sinus uses it - but it's perfect to prepare simple lists.
Personally I "print" (regularly but not daily) storyboards (for lectures) to pdf.
My personal impression - following this forum - is you spend a lot of time on solving metadata issues users have.
(Personally I would not release the metadata analysis tool/app you sometimes mentioned - it would increase your support effort because it's useful mainly for users who already are deep into the metadata stuff.
Old engineer saying: A fool with a tool is still a fool.)

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2019, 09:08:47 AM »
When I fix one bug you report, I introduce another you then report later. Or the 3rd party company introduces a new bug in XAML which you run into while doing something complex in D&P.
Of course. I understand.
Nobody likes it when you bring bad news. In the past, kings killed messengers of bad news.

Just imagine, you use a template, everything's fine ... and with the next update it won't work anymore correctly.
What would you do? I report the error, that's it.
And two updates later the template doesn't work again, I report it and you're annoyed, of course, it's understandable.

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Just checked telemetry. Only five users (including me) with more than one use of the D&P feature in the past 3 month.
I do not know, how IMatch users are out there. And I do not know, how many have enabled telemetry.
In 2019 at least these people has used D&P, because they posted something about D&P:

akirot, January 19
Aubrey, February 19
Jingo, Febuary 19
BanjoTom, February 19
Frank, May 19
ubacher, July 19
Winfried, August 19

But as you pointed out somewhere, are most of the people not on the forum. But I do not know this.


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None of the others has reported a problem, most likely because they don't max out the system or using advanced things like manual XAML etc.
Well, at least there must be other people who has reported problems except me.
Or you has spotted the bugs yourself.  ;D

Because when I look at the latest release, all these bug-fixes are not from me, I didn't even know about them:

from the release notes: Design & Print:
- Loading a template with a graphic container without an assigned file name may fail.
- Faster Startup
- The "New Page" dialog is not displayed automatically when a new template is created.
Using 'special' characters like & in Text Containers produces an error message.
- Fixed a XAML escape issue (with &) when using plain text (instead of variables).

Only one bug was reported by me, concerning variables:

-postfix no longer working if no prefix is used.

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Of course a bug is still a bug. I hate bugs.
But, so much trouble and cost for only 4 users. I don't know if I should keep D&P...
You did mentioned this several times on this forum (that you hates bugs).
That is why I report bugs.  8)

I would not like it, if you would delete D&P.
Because I have a lot of nice templates, what I have created in several days.
But I own InDesign and other programs are out there, hence I would find a solution, of course. But D&P has some features, what others cannot offer.

But overall, it is your decision. The proposal from Ubacher is not bad at all. When you say, not many users uses D&P, then leave it in IMatch, it looks good for sure from a point of marketing. But do not more change it.
As I pointed out, you made quite some bug-fixes in the actual release, what I even did not know. Hence they has been reported, and with them you or a third party has introduced this (small) glitch again.
Maybe it is an idea, leave D&P as it is, and that's it.

All is the choice of you.  :)

What is sure for me: if you leave D&P inside IMatch, I will not more report a bug, that is for sure.  8)


Best wishes from Switzerland! :-)
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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2019, 09:33:14 AM »
I have not added substantial new features to D&P in a long time. When I use it and I find bugs, I fix them of course.
And I like D&P because it can do things you won't find in any other software - including specialized 'photo printing' software!

But, IMatch is a very big piece of software and there is only one Mario.
User demands change and IMatch must adapt. Which is great. 2020 will include some amazing new features which will help users to manage their files better than ever. And 'do more'.
So I have to concentrate on features and services which help the majority of users. Or at least larger user groups.

Telemetry helps me to figure out what is used in IMatch. Although only a small number of users has telemetry enabled. Thanks to the (legitimate) privacy paranoia caused by data kraken like Google or Facebook.
Anyway, the numbers help me to see which features in IMatch are only rarely used, or only by a small number of users.
And if it happens that a few of these features are expensive in terms of maintenance cost or they create a constant stream of problems with 3rd party vendor component, I might just drop the feature in a future version.

The Chart Panel is a candidate. Design & Print is another.
Keeping features with a "NO MAINTENANCE / SUPPORT" label is not an option. The code is still in IMatch and I have to maintain it, make changes when the framework or 3rd party toolkit changes...

@akirot

Yes. I spend a lot of time dealing with metadata issues. And I have spent years of my life with that mess. Way too much.

No. The Metadata Analyst will be a support tool, not included in the general audience version of IMatch.
This would open a can of worms, because almost all files have some issues. Most can be safely ignored, but users would not know and would flood me with questions about "warnings" reported by the MDA.
But it will help me (and other selected 'specialist' users) to quickly check files for issues that need fixing.

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2019, 08:29:02 PM »
I also use D&P, but typically just to make PDFs with a group of images and descriptions -- nothing nearly as complex as what Sinus has done.  I hope you can keep D&P with the simple pre-made templates you offered right from the beginning. 
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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2019, 09:33:01 PM »
Here's another D&P user. I have a few templates for booklets.

And I have the long lasting plan (Ja, mach nur einen Plan/sei nur ein grosses Licht/und mach dann noch 'nen zweiten Plan/geh'n tun sie beide nicht) to create a kind of coffee-table book with D&P. But that's for the future.

I admire what Sinus does with D&P - way beyond my current experience, but it proves that tool is so powerful...

Ger

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2019, 12:14:17 PM »
I too am another D&P user.  I use it only occasionally, but also have plans to learn to use it more fully (that coffee-table book sounds like a great idea)...so I would be very sad to see it removed from IMatch.

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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2019, 08:20:21 AM »

Work-around:

Add a variable to your text container. Any variable will do. Use one that does not return anything, e.g. append {File.tag} at the end.

Mario,
thanks again for this!
I had to do a work with a template, what is quite old and I could not send it like it was (because the bold-tags and so on).

With help of your workaround I could add a unused tag and it worked like a charm.
So your hint was very good and helpful!

I guess, I would have never found this.

Thanks!
Best wishes from Switzerland! :-)
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Re: <Bold> </Bold> <LineBreak/> and &#160; works not more in D&P
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2019, 08:57:39 AM »
I really need D&P only to split images into two or to combine two images into one - something the batch processor
can not do. In previous versions I had a script for these functions but now I can not do this via script.

I suppose keeping it with a "No MAINTAINANCE - NO SUPPORT" label would be an option for now.

If those are the only thing you need it for, you might have a look at this: https://imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php
Maybe you can use those command-line tools from iMatch.